Having owned many FJ shoes this is the first pair I purchased as a shoe for business casual only. They will not see the course.Very comfortable and breath well. As with all FJ I wear a 9, as other brands I wear a 10.Sole is not aggressive and is good for street wear. Not sure how the tread would work on the course in wet conditions.Worn them several times for work, carpet, asphalt, etc. Tread holding up nicely. Main thing is comfort and these are more comfortable that and other casual dress shoe I've worn. Plus with pants they do not look like a golf shoe. Both them in blue and black/charcoal.